I: Jesus is a myth, is just a copy of the pagans gods!


A: Anti-theists not only have problems with God but also with history (often times on this matter).


At some point, in some areas, in some hobbies, I can find similar things about you and me, but partial truth doesn't mean everything is truth. Historical reliability does not depend on the repeatability of the events, it comes from cross-referencing data.


Besides that, there is no such thing as an ancient record of their similarities to their pagan gods towards Jesus, is just all made up internet lies that bias shallow people fall into it.


Many atheists had been constantly changing history of the pagan gods as for Zeitgeist Movie (2007) for example, comparing it towards Jesus Christ in which few truth claims are mix into a lot of false stuff, for example they talk about the death of the sun and state that the sun stopped moving (or at least perceivable) for 3 days...nowhere in ancient history that can be found. Then they compare those events to the cross, when we can actually find out about the death of Jesus Christ on the cross, not just by living tradition throughout generations but also by 1st-century pagan sources "outside the Bible", for example:


The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus (Book 18, chapter 3, number 3) says: Now there arose at this time a source of further trouble in one Jesus, a wise man who performed surprising works, a teacher of men who gladly welcome strange things. He led away many Jews, and also many of the Gentiles. He was the so-called Christ. When Pilate, acting on information supplied by the chief men around us, condemned him to the cross, those who had attached themselves to him at first did not cease to cause trouble, and the tribe of Christians, which has taken this name from him is not extinct even today.


Also, Cornelious Tacitus (Annals 15:44) said: Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome.


There are about 19 ancient pagans writers that talk about Jesus and 12 of them talk about the cross and death of Jesus (which those are sources outside the Bible). You can read Flavius Josephus, Mara Bar-Serapion, Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Thallus the Samaritan & Julius Africanus, Phlegon, Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas, The Jewish Talmud, Pliny the Younger, etc.


Anti-theists also compare pagan gods with Jesus Christ when Christ was even prophecied since the Old Testament...as the son of God (Zech. 12:10), born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), was crucified (Psalm 22), the blood atonement (Leviticus 17:11), rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10), and salvation by faith (Hab. 2:4). This is the kind of ancient historical record atheists can't even provide for the pagan gods they claim.


Theme Old Testament Reference New Testament Fulfilled in Jesus
Ascension of Jesus to the right hand of God
(Psalm 110:1) (Matthew 26:64), (Acts 7:55-60), (Ephesians 1:20)
Atonement by blood
(Leviticus 17:11) (Hebrews 9:22)
Baptism (Exodus 40:12-15), (Lev. 16:4), (Gen. 17:10), (Ezekiel 36:25) (Matthew 3:16; 28:19), (Colossians 2:11-12), (Hebrews 10:22)
Begotten Son (Psalm 2:7) (Acts 13:33), (Hebrews 1:5)
Creative Work (Genesis 1:26) (John 1:1-3), (Colossians 1:16-17)
Crucifixion (Psalm 22:11-18), (Zechariah 12:10) (Luke 23:33-38)
Damnation and Salvation (Daniel 12:2) (Matthew 25:46)
Eternal Son (Micah 5:1-2), (Psalm 2:7) (Hebrews 1:5; 5:5)
First and Last (Isaiah 41:4; 44:6; 48:12) (Revelation 1:8; 1:17; 22:13)
God among His people (Isaiah 9:6; 40:3) (John 1:1; 1:14; 20:28), (Colossians 2:9), (Matthew 3:3)
Incarnation of God

1) (Isaiah 9:6), (Zech. 12:10)

2) (Ex 3:14)

1) (Heb. 1:8), (Col. 2:9), (Heb. 1:1-3)

2) (John 8:58; 1:1; 1:14)

Monotheism (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6; 44:8; 45:5) (John 10:30), (Ephesians 4:5)
Only Begotten Son (Genesis 22:2) See Typology (John 3:16), (Hebrews 11:7)
Priesthood of Jesus (Psalm 110:4) (Hebrews 6:20; 7:25)
Resurrection of Christ (Psalm 16:9-10; 49:15), (Isaiah 26:19) (John 2:19-21)
Return of Christ (Zechariah 14:1-5), (Micah 1:3-4) (Matthew 16:27-28), (Acts 1:11; 3:20)
Sacrifice of the Son (Genesis 22) See Typology (Hebrews 9:27)
Salvation by Grace 1) (Gen. 12:3)
2) (Gen. 15:6), (Habakkuk 2:4)
1) (Galatians 3:8-11)
2) (Romans 4:9)
Sin offering (Exodus 30:10), (Leviticus 4:3) (Romans 8:3), (Hebrews 10:18; 13:11)
Sin offering made outside the camp (Exodus 29:14) (Hebrews 13:12-13)
Sin offering without defect (Exodus 12:5), (Leviticus 22:20), (Deuteronomy 17:1) (Hebrews 9:14)
Son of God (Psalm 2:7) (John 5:18)
Substitutionary Atonement
(Isaiah 53:6-12), (Leviticus 6:4-10; 6:21) (Matthew 20:28), (1 Peter 2:24; 3:18), (2 Corinthians 5:21)
Trinity 1) (Gen. 1:26); (Job 33:4)
2) (Gen. 17:1; 18:1), (Ex. 6:2-3; 24:9-11
33:20), (Num. 12:6-8), (Psalm 104:30)
3) (Gen. 19:24) with (Amos 4:10-11); (Is.48:16)
1) (John 1:1-3)
2) (John 1:18; 6:46)
3) (Matthew 28:19), (2 Corinthians 13:14)
Virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14) (Matthew 1:25)
Worship of Jesus (Psalm 97:7) (Matthew 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9), (John 9:35-38),
(Hebrews 1:6)


Plus, all the path that Jesus left from direct eyewitnesses accounts and early historians as well (as mentioned above). Also, most anti-theists claims (regarding this issue) are lies mix up with some truths because anti-theists look comfort and not honesty (at least on this theological issues).


Before someone believes a particular worldview, is imperative to learn and understand its origin as well, not just believing stuff just because we like it or not (and this goes for all the worldviews out there). Because there is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death (Proverbs 14:12), (Proverbs 16:25). So is important to be honest because objective Truth is not going to change by subjective opinion.


Now, some anti-theists made false comparisons between Jesus and Horus when in reality is very little to compare, that is:


Horus: (Falcon)
Jesus: (Fish)


Horus: conception- born from the dead
Jesus: conception- born of God


Horus: Sun god
Jesus: Son of God


Horus: Fought for his superiority...he was very dangerous
Jesus: Gave His life for others.


Horus: His eye was gouged out
Jesus: Always had both of his eyes


Horus: Seb (Joseph) is not Horus’s father, Osiris is
Jesus: Joseph (earthly father)


Horus: Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary
Jesus: Mary is his mother's name


Horus: Had four semi-gods that were followers
Jesus: Had 12 disciples


Horus: Did not walk on water
Jesus: Walked on water


Horus: Did not raise anyone from the dead
Jesus: Raised Lazarus from the dead


Horus: Was not crucified
Jesus: Was crucified


Horus: No resurrection
Jesus: Was resurrected


The only comparison between Horus and Jesus consists of the following: they were of royal descent and there were murder plots against them.


The same thing goes for Mithra, Dionysus, among others false accusations are made to make it fit into Jesus as if Jesus is the one who copied them.


Plus, God must exist since there must be someone controlling all these particles because matter does not know what is adaptable and what is not in and of itself; so it must be a mind controlling all these particle constant patterns behaviours in which the components are form and information behaviors is a clear evidence in which this materialistic life consists. So under those premises, Buddhism is automatically disqualified since is not a theistic worldview to even take it into consideration for the creation of life nor Maitreya or any other human-like anti-theistic view.


The Bible never states that Jesus born on December 25th, nor that the magi (the three wise men) were actually three. When Constantine became a Christian, he was trying to get rid of the pagan celebration of the sun god, and to obtain that, he introduced Jesus on their same day, so the pagan celebrations dissipate by popularity since it was celebrated on the same day and paganism can fade out by not leaving the same day open.


Also, there are about 270 legends of the worldwide flood around the world as few other similarities; but that doesn't mean it didn't happen; what that basically means is that where there is smoke, there is fire.


This is just some of many other examples why Jesus Christ is indeed the one who He claims to be (according to the Bible). Plus, creating a God that tell us "thou shall not do" quite a few things, is the last thing an honest person would do when someone actually like to do it; because Truth by definition is exclusive, otherwise it would be oxymoron for God to accept that which is moral and immoral as relatively equal.


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